Flipside Vinyl Fanzine Vol. 1

Flipside Vinyl Fanzine – (Flipside) 1984. Another classic compilation from the waning days of the hardcore era. It makes a nice companion piece to Blazing Wheels and Barking Trucks. Some of the material on this is pretty awful but it has some choice tracks as well. At the time, it was the most accessible way to hear Black Market Baby. In fact, the East Coast bands (BMB, Kraut and The FU’s) really stand out in general on this.

One of the unique elements of this comp is that it has a little spoken intro before each track done by the band. It’s kinda cheesy but definitely the kind of thing I tried to do with mixtapes back then. Some of them are pretty funny too.

More importantly, it serves as an interesting time-capsule. You hear opinions on many of the things that were important in the “scene” (ugh) at that time. Individuality (GI), poseur bands (Scream), patriotism (TSOL), violence at shows (Psycho), feminism (ASF), and the scene itself (Borscht) are all covered. Of course, the best bands are the ones who don’t give a fuck about any of this shit (FU’s and Black Market Baby) but it is funny hearing all of these little time-capsules today.

1. Dickies – Gigantor (live): Another version of this song. A great song no doubt but one I have heard a million times.
2. Government Issue – Religious Ripoff: A great version of this song. I can’t remember if it is the same as the one on Legless Bull? I think it is.
3. The Freeze – No One’s Ever Coming Home: One of the best songs by The Freeze. Different from the versions on the Rabid Reaction LP.
4. White Flag – Question of Intelligence: Never really got White Flag. I think they were an inside joke for a bunch of Hollywood scenesters. I remember at one point they had a three sided LP? Also I remember hearing that one of the dudes in the band is the guy drawing on Darby in The Decline of Western Civilization. Regardless, this is an OK HC song with really bad white boy funk stuff in the breakdowns.
5. Kraut – Flossing With An E String: Super heavy and bad-ass Kraut song. Off of the very underrated Whetting The Scythe mini-LP. These guys got no respect back in the day.
6. F – Attack: Great track by F. “If we had a message we’d make a newspaper or something.” Always dug F’s vocals.
7. Plain Wrap – Meat Between the Treads: This one is kind of funny. Its only 7 seconds long. Years later I heard a comp of theirs on GTA and was very impressed.
8. Flag of Democracy – Madhouse: I never got into F.O.D. Couldnt get past the singer. To say he is derivative of Jello Biafra is a bit of an understatement.
9. TSOL – What If They Gave a War and No One Came: Change Today era TSOL (thank you Danny!). Nowhere near as good as the older stuff but at least it doesn’t have Joe Wood singing. Interesting intro too as it reflects the more conservative political direction that US Hardcore was heading in at this time.
10. Adrenalin OD – Me Three Bunch: Their version of the Brady Bunch Theme. Kind of a throwaway but I like AOD song!
11. Scream – Fight: A live version of one of the classics from the first LP. One of the funnier intros too. Note The Clash are considered poseurs at this particular moment in time.
12. The Undead – In 84: Production on this one is odd but its a good song.
13. F.U.’s – Warlords: As frequent readers of LDoMoE know, I am a big fan of the FU’s and this is one of their best songs. Live version. This is from their last LP Do We Really Want To Hurt You. After this they morphed into The Straw Dogs who were more of a rock band. You can tell in the band photos that these guys were going metal. Note the Scorpions t-shirt. Love the intro. Everytime I hear these guys I am reminded of my years up in Boston.

Black Market Baby online at http://www.senselessofferings.com/

14. Black Market Baby – Total Waste: So I knew this girl from DC who relocated to my High School in 84. She considered herself a ‘mod’ which really meant (in St Louis circa 1985) that she was into bands like The Smiths. I hung out with her largely due to the fact that she was extremely hot and I was impressed with the fact that she had been to shows in DC. One day I was rattling on about how great Minor Threat, Scream and Government Issue were and she told me, “the greatest band from DC was Black Market Baby.”

I remember thinking her head was up her ass or something. How could there be a great band from DC that I, the all-knowing Joe Stumble, was unaware of? Then I found this comp you are currently listening to at Vintage Vinyl and there on Side B was Black Market Baby. I bought it, took it home and you know what? She was sorta-RIGHT.

Sorta right y’say? Well yeah, saying any band is the BEST band from DC is a tall fuckin’ statement. But I do believe BMB were the best Punk Band from DC hands-down. At this time, hardcore was all the rage and I remember it was sorta-frowned upon to call yourself a ‘punk’. BMB were total punk rock and I remember digging the shit outta this one when I first heard it. I still think it is one of thier best tracks. Ended up buying Senseless Offerings later that year.

15.Psycho – Master Race: OK track. Not as good as the 45.
16. Gay Cowboys in Bondage – Domestic Battlefield: Off of the 45. Good punk track.
17. Borscht – Suburbia: Very similar to their stuff on Blazing Wheels and Barking Trucks. OK but somewhat unmemorable.
18. ASF – Big Women: Aw geez. Awful, awful awful. I could totally see how this came from Boulder!
19. Charged GBH – Give Me Fire: Bland live version. Not remotely as good as the studio version.

So there you have it. An OK comp with one very classic song and a couple of other gems. By this time hardcore was starting to show its age and a lot of the energy just wasn’t there. Still, the Black Market Baby track alone is worth it.

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26 Responses to Flipside Vinyl Fanzine Vol. 1

  1. b. brown says:

    Kraut! Another perfect band for the task of amping up those interstate mix tapes. Love this band.

  2. Erich says:

    Joe – did you get laid in the end (that mod girl, you know)? Pictures?

    Great post – now you could go for the 2nd one with that unreal CATATONICS song.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Any chance of seeing/hearing the second one???
    Mr. Gone

  4. Anonymous says:

    White Flag was a good band, although I never quite “got” them either and their later stuff was pop the same way AOD and “F” went. The LP Third Strike has several good songs and used to be pretty easy to come by. I heard the guitar player was an ex-cop and the band as a whole seemed to have an axe to grind against commies and anarchists and the like and made their opinions known quite bluntly in a few of their songs. I’d describe them as non-conformists among non-conformists and they had some good lyrics, too.

  5. Joe Stumble says:

    Sad to say Erich….unfortunately that mod girl was outta my league at the time. I was a gnarly, drug-addled social misfit. However, unlike the other wasted relationships in my life, at least I got Black Market Baby out of this one! That counts for a lot. Ha.

    B.Brown, I am with you. Kraut were great. Thier song “Juvenile Justice” off the same EP was the theme song for all the gnarly drug-addled misfits of the era.

  6. Erich says:

    I envy you, Joe. The most I got out of a relationship in musical terms, was Violent Femme’s “Hollow ground” LP and that is not SOOOO great when you don’t have the girl to hold in your arms to it anymore.

  7. fred says:

    White Flag is still around, and the famous Bill Bartel (Pat Smear) was not an ex-cop, but WAS quite the crowd baiter, hence the pro-cop anti-commie harangues. S is For Space is a good Lp (as is the rarer R is for Rocket)

    Yes, he is the guy all over Decline.. with the spit dribbling out his mouth.

    Anti-Scrunti Faction’s goofy cut has to be one the dumbest retard punk songs, how can you not like it? Agree about the Boulder reference too.

  8. fred says:

    I added to the confusion by writing “Pat Smear” instead of *Pat Fear*. The White Flaggers all had dumb names like Pat Fear & Al Bum.

    Bill Bartel (Pat Fear)’s record label Gasatanka (take off on Kiss’ Casablanca label), put out two rare Germs records a live 10″ and a rehearsals 7″. Can’t wait for the Germs movie! Germs (GI): been playing this almost once very two weeks since 1980!

  9. Anonymous says:

    Please Mr. Stumble, give us #2 (of Flipside V.F. that is!)!
    We The People

  10. Anonymous says:

    Thanks, Fred, for dispelling the Pat Fear / cop rumor–I had actually heard it from several different sources but who knows how it started? Tongues do wag. The Zero Hour LP is also good and half the tracks seemed to wind up on Wild Kingdom which was a little goofy but OK. Those Germs records on Gasatanka were impossible to find in my neck of the woods even when they came out–to this day I’ve never seen that 10″.

  11. Joe Stumble says:

    I tried to listen to the ASF track a few minutes ago with my post-modern/ironic hat on and still hated it. I agree that it is “goofy, dumb, and retarded” but I think it is also boring. Unlike say, Vast Majority, which is goofy, dumb, retarded and totally entertaining. I do like the intro though…and the Gilley’s shirt!

    I figured if anyone has been to Boulder they would get this reference. It’s hard to explain but that song is soooooo Boulder.

  12. malfeitor says:

    Hands down my favorite tune on this compilation is Attack by F. I remember when I heard it originally it just seemed to leap from the speakers. You’re right, just great vocals, kinda snotty and nihilistic which is how I like it I suppose. Another record I no longer have, so thanks.

  13. monadjudant69 says:

    yep,the GI version here is different than the legless bull one & is sounding much better !
    thanks for posting that one,it was one of my fave then.
    & yes,BMB kicked major ass !

  14. Chris Oliver says:

    F and Gay Cowboys were both from Florida (and I think shared the same drummer and bassist). F, like White Flag, were big crowd baiters and always made a big production out of the fact that they were rich kids, loved Reagan, and hated punks. The funny part of this is that sarcasm, irony, satire, whatever you want to call it, was so ingrained in the punk scene that it was impossible to piss off punks by doing a pro-Reagan song, because they’d just assume you were being sarcastic.

    I actually think White Flag are one of the most underrated hardcore bands. Even though I completely disagree with their politics, it was good to have a dissenting opinion in the scene, and they wrote great songs (although “Question of Intelligence” is probably not one of their best).

  15. peteski says:

    still can’t believe there’s not a band named “Black Fag”

  16. Joe Stumble says:

    Peteski – Its funny that you should say that. Check THIS out.

  17. Anonymous says:

    That TSOL track, of course, is a cover of a song by great L.A. psych-pop outfit the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band. Not sure how that particular anti-Vietnam screed is more conservative than early-’80s hardcore. Context, I suppose…

  18. Joe Stumble says:

    Anon – Of course, I did not know that. The reason I said that about the convertaveness of the screed — He says “we love our country, its the government we have problems with.” They mention how fortunate “they are to be American.” I am NOT trying to agree or disagree with this sentimenet. I am just pointing out that this is somewhat less liberal a worldview then the “smash the state rhetoric” of a few years ago and less conservative a worldview than bands like Murphy’s Law and Agnostic Front would have a few years later. Hence, I note the direction. TSOL of course chose to abort the mission and go glam metal but that’s another story.

  19. Anonymous says:

    The worst band on this is ASF from Boulder, Colorado.

    I went to school in Boulder and knew Leslie, the chick in the photos on this album cover and I hated these people like the plague. Talk about your copycat, stupid secondrate punk rock. Why did they get on this comp and not some of the great Colorado hardcore bands like Frantix or Bum Kon ? I just don’t get it.

  20. Joe Stumble says:

    It was probably due in part to networking. Leslie or whoever probably contacted the folks at flipside and stayed in contact with them.

    I also think that it was because they were girls. The hardcore scene did not have too many all-female outfits at the time and I think labels were trying to promote the idea of “more girls in hardcore”…it added to the diversity of the music to hear a girl band and there just wasn’t a lot to choose from.

    I say this because judged on individual merits, Bum Kon or Frantix are light YEARS ahead of this swill. Really anything on the Local Anesthetic label would have been better than this.

  21. Anonymous says:

    So, why does everyone hate Joe Wood?
    I’ve always heard people slag Change
    Today (I’ve always liked it), but was
    never quite sure why. Both versions
    of the band were good IMO.

  22. Joe Stumble says:

    Jack Grisham and Todd Barnes left TSOL to be replaced by singer Joe Wood (who was Grisham’s brother-in-law) and drummer Mitch Dean. This new line-up released an album named “Change Today?” in 1984 on Enigma Records

    The group changed their sound entirely for their next release “Revenge”, gaining a glam metal sound. They followed up with an album in a similar style, titled; “Hit and Run”. Before it was released, original guitarist Ron Emory quit the band. Leaving Mike Roche as the sole original member.

    They released “Strange Love” in 1990, Mike Roche quit shortly before the album release, leaving no original member in the band. A compilation album was issued in 1992 with an emphasis on their glam metal era.

    Meanwhile, the original members had started playing shows featuring the bands’s early material under the name TSOL, often playing the same cities, the same nights as the other TSOL. Since Joe Wood and Mitch Dean now owned the rights to the name TSOL, they threatened to sue the original members, who released a live album of their early material under the name Grisham, Roche, Emory, Barnes

    so why dislike Joe Wood? Basically, I don’t like glam metal and i believe he was responsible for that change…and I dont like the thought of a guy suing the original members of a band for thier name.

  23. Anonymous says:

    Gotcha, thanks for the info. Similar
    to the whole Verbal Abuse thing.

  24. Nemecizer says:

    I have been looking for a copy of “Attack” for almost 10 years on the internet, mostly because I forgot which compilation it was on and what the band’s name was. THANK YOU for posting this. Brings back memories. Still a great song.

  25. Brian says:

    This is awesome. I can download all these badass songs and then share them with my other punk friends. I love these bands. :) Thank you for putting this up Flipside :D

  26. MR P J NORMAL says:

    RE TSOL – What If They Gave a War and No One Came:
    Have you heard the original version by THE WEST COAST POP ART EXPERIMENTAL BAND

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